On this edition of Conversations, Ilsa Govan and Tilman Smith talk with host Dan Skinner about “What’s Up with White Women? - Unpacking Sexism and White Privilege in Pursuit of Racial Justice.” Smith is an educator, consultant, facilitator, and activist focused on racial justice, white privilege, internalized sexism, and internalized white superiority. Ilsa Govan is an anti-racist facilitator, consultant, leadership coach, activist, and the co-founder of Cultures Connecting, which has helped organizations put their vision of racial equity into practice.