On this edition of Conversations, J. M. Beach talks with host Dan Skinner about the issues he raises in two books: “Can We Measure What Matters Most? Why Educational Accountability Metrics Lower Student Learning and Demoralize Teachers” and “The Myths of Measurement and Meritocracy: Why Accountability Metrics in Higher Education are Unfair and Increase Inequality.” Beach is the founder and director of 21st Century Literacy, a nonprofit organization focused on literary education and teacher training.